Apex(winter project)

[Able 1]

I received it on Thursday, but couldn't get to it till Friday.. Here it is:

 

[Desk Jockey]

looks in decent shape. whats the story on it Keith?

 

[Shane T]

Is it what you were expecting?

 

[Able 1]

 

[Able 1]

Bought from a very cool O/O in Florida that is busy every day, smart guy! The truckmount has 8,400 hours on it, but it's perfect for me..

 

[Shane T]

Is your wife going to let you keep that in the office all winter?

 

[Able 1]

Is it what you were expecting?

Better then I thought, I even got a fuel tap!

 

[Able 1]

 

[Able 1]

Bran new pump(I mean really)..

 

[Able 1]

Leaking valve cover gasket made a mess of things..

 

[Able 1]

Is your wife going to let you keep that in the office all winter?

I have already tore it down to the frame.. I want to see how fast I can do it the last one took me a month.

 

[Able 1]

What the hell is this?

 

[Able 1]

 

[Able 1]

 

[Able 1]

 

[Shane T]

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What the hell is this?

It's a "Forever" water conditioner. Some will argue that it doesn't work, I've used it and it did reduce hard water deposits in my cleaning system although I would rather have soft water.

 

[Mikey P]

I hope your wrench skills are better than your camera..

Those box slides in give me a head ache just thinking about working on them.

 

[Able 1]

 

[Able 1]

Just phone pics.. Pictures don't make me money, give me a wrench!

 

[Able 1]

Is this one clear enough?

 

[dgardner]

Nice winter project. Are you just resealing the motor or going through it completely?

 

[Able 1]

I have gone back and forth about this.. I think I'm going to sell the engine, and get a new one..

 

[dealtimeman]

Do you get the frame powder coated again?

 

[GeneMiller]

I have the forever magnet and I've only descaled once. My bypass orifice has only clogged a few times. I believe it works but not like soft water. I plan on adding a water softener to my next machine.

Gene

 

[Able 1]

I will be getting quite a bit of it powder coated..

 

[Shane T]

I have the forever magnet and I've only descaled once. My bypass orifice has only clogged a few times. I believe it works but not like soft water. I plan on adding a water softener to my next machine.

Gene

You may not want to use the Forever along with softened water. There would be no point in using them both and it seems to me I remember there can be problems when doing so.

 

[GeneMiller]

You may not want to use the Forever along with softened water. There would be no point in using them both and it seems to me I remember there can be problems when doing so.

It does seem to work as I don't have any scale problems. I know pembertons sales them and I don't believe he would if he didn't believe in them. They use them in ice makers to keep the little jets from getting clogged. I don't think they help with cleaning.

Gene

 

[Able 1]

Change of plans I was talked into rebuilding the motor.. What do you think pistons,rings(or just rings?), valves? Any one have a service manual or know where I can get one?

 

[dgardner]

http://wiki.gekgasifier.com/f/Workshop+Manual+WG+DF+DG972.pdf

 

[dgardner]

What do you think pistons,rings(or just rings?), valves?

Depends on what your long-range plans are - how long do you plan to keep?

An 8400 hour motor will probably be tired and will need a decent amount of work done. To really answer your question you need to disassemble and mic all the important parts - cylinder bores, pistons, crank journals (mains and rod journals) valvestem clearance, head and deck flatness, cam, oil pump clearances, etc.

If you want to get decent hours (many thousands) out of the rebuilt motor as a minimum you will probably have to:

• Bore cylinders 0.5mm oversize
• new pistons/rings
• check/replace conrod small-end bearings
• valve job (grind/replace valves, grind seats)
• Check/replace valve guides as required
• Main bearings, rod bearings
• check or replace oil pump (I always replace - good insurance!)
• new water pump/thermostat/radiator cap
• all the usual maintenance stuff - plugs, belt, hoses, filters, etc.
• complete gaskets/seals kit

And unless you want to be constantly plagued by maintanance/petty breakdowns, now is the time to proactively replace/rebuild 8400 hour parts that are guaranteed to cause you problems down the road, like rebuilding or replacing starter, alternator, carb, etc.

On the other hand, if this will be a short timer, you might do little to nothing and get another thousand or two hours out of it, who knows?

I think it's worth it to have all the disassembled parts checked for wear before making a decision - if everything is super loose then slapping new rings in it will do little to extend the life of what you already have.....