If you could add features to this board, what would they be?

[Kenny Hayes]

You hardly work anymore, beggar!

 

[they live]

Diamond sown!!!

Ever try one?

Sometimes referred to as diamond weave.....only a little courser.....wouldn't use it on any baroque....great for hard counters!

No I dont think so but we may have. Genny has tried a lot of different ones.

 

[hogjowl]

You hardly work anymore, beggar!

It’s an art

 

[Kenny Hayes]

You're #sign don't even say will work for, send it for Free!

 

[KevinD]

one free "chosen" wand to the best post of the month. JK

agree on all points. Just as a sidenote there was a Facebook question posted. guy had a HDM TM that had problems with their chem pump so he asked what the chem dilution would be if he put the chems in his water supply tank. (you know, rather than asking how to fix it) I replied that this would be a bad idea and explained why. Then others were saying I was wrong and what to put in the tanks. you cant fix stupid.

For over 30 years I mixed my rinses in my fresh water tank with softened water. I knew the EXACT dilution of my chemicals in my rinse solution. The only adjustments I ever made were in the dilutions of my prespray, stronger or lighter as needed. Chemical injectors and pumps are a guessing game as to dilutions. More than once I came out to the truck after a job and either a inch of solution was drawn out of my chem feed jug or the entire jug was gone. As far as damage to components I never had any ill effects or shortened life on transfer pumps, pressure pumps or lines. My internals were clean as a whistle any time I took them apart with good chems and soft water.
Not arguing with you as to what is better. It just worked well for me.

 

[Dwain Ray]

For over 30 years I mixed my rinses in my fresh water tank with softened water. I knew the EXACT dilution of my chemicals in my rinse solution. The only adjustments I ever made were in the dilutions of my prespray, stronger or lighter as needed. Chemical injectors and pumps are a guessing game as to dilutions. More than once I came out to the truck after a job and either a inch of solution was drawn out of my chem feed jug or the entire jug was gone. As far as damage to components I never had any ill effects or shortened life on transfer pumps, pressure pumps or lines. My internals were clean as a whistle any time I took them apart with good chems and soft water.
Not arguing with you as to what is better. It just worked well for me.

This confused me?? I dont see the problem with premixing chemicals then pumping unless they flammable or damaging to diaphragms and/or sealssuch as Petroleum basded products . After all thats what you do when you run a portable machine. You premix your solution and then pump it. Also it your tm uses starvation instead of a chem pump your system has chemicals running thru it also because the suction of the pressure pump draws the concentrate, Whats the difference? I personally wouldn't do it but i really dont see a problem

 

[Jim Pemberton]

These things all depend on the design of the machine.

Some units have components that aren't friendly to acid rinses on one side, or alkaline detergents on the other side.

The "big name" slide ins use a controlled bleed system that bypasses a trickle of hot water through a small orifice and screen that is easily clogged by undissolved chemicals or built up detergent residues of even well dissolved liquids. These and a few other units also bypass water back to a water box which can causes "ready to use" amounts to increase concentration as they return to the water box.

So, the answer really is:

It depends on the machine you are running, and it depends on the stuff you intend to run through it.

 

[Dwain Ray]

These things all depend on the design of the machine.

Some units have components that aren't friendly to acid rinses on one side, or alkaline detergents on the other side.

The "big name" slide ins use a controlled bleed system that bypasses a trickle of hot water through a small orifice and screen that is easily clogged by undissolved chemicals or built up detergent residues of even well dissolved liquids. These and a few other units also bypass water back to a water box which can causes "ready to use" amounts to increase concentration as they return to the water box.

So, the answer really is:

It depends on the machine you are running, and it depends on the stuff you intend to run through it.

I can see the problems you speak of now. Im un familiar with the new "high tech" crap there building And being rural i don't get the opportunity to be around it much. with the exception of increasing concentration of rtu chems in the waterbox, because if the chemicals are pre mixed that would be a set mix unless somewhere else you were adding extra chems. I can see that in starvation system and chem pump systems that unload into water box after chem injection . But pre mix would stay at the same dilutions unless you remove/ add more chemicals/ remove water from diluted chemicals or add external water to further dilute the chemicals. I still wouldn't do it eveb if there wasn't and problems with the machine. Because i use my stored water for other things. Once it leaves th water pond it goes to a softener which would be damaged vy chemicals then it tee's off to the machine and a retractable hose reel where the water can and is used for a number of things mixing other chems/ cleaning equipment even in an emergency cooling the vans engine so as for me i would never consider doing it

 

[Cleanworks]

For over 30 years I mixed my rinses in my fresh water tank with softened water. I knew the EXACT dilution of my chemicals in my rinse solution. The only adjustments I ever made were in the dilutions of my prespray, stronger or lighter as needed. Chemical injectors and pumps are a guessing game as to dilutions. More than once I came out to the truck after a job and either a inch of solution was drawn out of my chem feed jug or the entire jug was gone. As far as damage to components I never had any ill effects or shortened life on transfer pumps, pressure pumps or lines. My internals were clean as a whistle any time I took them apart with good chems and soft water.
Not arguing with you as to what is better. It just worked well for me.

That's what we do for portables. Most properly formulated carpet cleaning products have corrosion inhibitors. Probably the key is just flushing out your fresh tank every once in a while just like you would with a portable. My Apex is the first truck mount I've had with a fresh water tank and I don't put chemistry in there as my chemical feed works great but I can see why it's attractive.

 

[Matt Middleton]

For reasons that will become apparent, I'm not able to be objective in my thoughts.

But, in the interests in moving the conversation along, I would like to share some observations I've made over the past 5 years:

1. Trade Associations, as they once were in the late 20th century, are all but dead.

2. Regional distributors who sponsored training classes, often monthly, have mostly retired or sold to large organizations that no longer have a deep commitment to regular local training opportunities for cleaners

3. Young cleaners don't respond well to classroom training, so the above changes were occuring anyway. They search for answers on line through Google, You Tube, AI, or Social Media forums

4. The above mentioned sources are often populated with erroneous or incomplete information sources.

5. Cleaner networking sites are not always well policed, and those asking questions or even being supportive an answering questions can be subject to abuse and ridicule.

6. The IICRC, which at one time had a measure of credibility has lost much of it for a variety of reasons.

For all of the above reasons, there needs to be a way of accessing information that has been vetted, follows generally accepted practices in both cleaning efficiency and safety to the textile, the customer, and the operator.

Esp. #5

 

[sassyotto]

so is that a 'no' on the free wand?

 

[Mikey P]

We'll have some give aways...

 

[SamIam]

Every forum besides this one has the option.

Mikey was sued over it and lost years ago.

I think it was JB but not sure now.

I would have chose this option by now if it were available.

Since one of the reboots you can't even log out now.

I dont want to take the ball. Just my jersey.

I have to login periodically if I clear cache on my phone try that.

 

[SamIam]

This is exactly the sort of thing that needs a level of serious moderators and experienced participants to prevent.

I spend too much time sending direct messages to questioners who are getting bad advice, which helps the individual, but it leaves to bad advice floating out there where it can harm others

Yeah but honestly we run a detergent through machine after a descale, and maybe he need to get one job done.

I would pre spray heavy and fresh water rinse, but in my old 405 when problems happened I would put rinse on the water box

 

[SamIam]

I imagine it can't be good for the pump.

Hard water is probably amost as bad.

Not sure what else is it would damage though.

I did it with my bane and the stator would get damaged.

It doesn't

 

[SamIam]

These things all depend on the design of the machine.

Some units have components that aren't friendly to acid rinses on one side, or alkaline detergents on the other side.

The "big name" slide ins use a controlled bleed system that bypasses a trickle of hot water through a small orifice and screen that is easily clogged by undissolved chemicals or built up detergent residues of even well dissolved liquids. These and a few other units also bypass water back to a water box which can causes "ready to use" amounts to increase concentration as they return to the water box.

So, the answer really is:

It depends on the machine you are running, and it depends on the stuff you intend to run through it.

And do you feel lucky?

Well do you punk?

Clint Eastwood on Sam's pixel

Sorry

 

[BIG WOOD]

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[BIG WOOD]

Back to the original topic.

One thing I remembered Fred did that was good, was creating a bogus thread about whatever topic had changed the subject of the original topic. That keeps the original topic going.

Oh, I almost forgot. We ned a few more forum topics to add to Ground Zero. One of them needs to be about garbage trucks, and the other about member of the month. As for the member of the month...the fun part about that is (do you remember the show Comedy Central Roast where they would put a star on stage and read crap about them to embarrass them?). Instead of kissing the member of the month's ass, we need to harass them about their crap they've said on this board

 

[Mikey P]

Back to the original topic.

One thing I remembered Fred did that was good, was creating a bogus thread about whatever topic had changed the subject of the original topic. That keeps the original topic going.

Oh, I almost forgot. We ned a few more forum topics to add to Ground Zero. One of them needs to be about garbage trucks, and the other about member of the month. As for the member of the month...the fun part about that is (do you remember the show Comedy Central Roast where they would put a star on stage and read crap about them to embarrass them?). Instead of kissing the member of the month's ass, we need to harass them about their crap they've said on this board

Kindness will be mandatory.


What's the saying about the various sins being hard to be around once you've removed them from your repertoire?

Drunkenness, goofball or mean

Perverseness

Laziness

Meanness

Selfishness

Downtrodden

Rude parking...

 

[BIG WOOD]

Kindness will be mandatory.


What's the saying about the various sins being hard to be around once you've removed them from your repertoire?

Drunkenness, goofball or mean

Perverseness

Laziness

Meanness

Selfishness

Downtrodden

Rude parking...

Dude, I'm not suggesting picking someone out of the crowd for just being mean to them. People like Marty, or me...I don't care. I've said some goofy stuff on here and I think it's funny being harassed by you old goofs.

But if doesn't make you feel comfortable, I respect that. But I still like my garbage truck idea forum idea, lol

 

[Kenny Hayes]

Or a new wand in a box!

 

[Mikey P]

Or a new wand in a box!

You active regulars will be grandfathered in but it will become a subscription-based site.
It won't be cheap to operate with all the features we have planned.

For a whopping $9 a month the value will be very impressive and incomparable.

 

[Mikey P]

You active regulars will be grandfathered in but it will become a subscription-based site.
It won't be cheap to operate with all the features we have planned.

For a whopping $9 a month the value will be very impressive and incomparable.

Which may make tool giveaways a real possibility

 

[SamIam]

Kindness will be mandatory.


What's the saying about the various sins being hard to be around once you've removed them from your repertoire?

Drunkenness, goofball or mean

Perverseness

Laziness

Meanness

Selfishness

Downtrodden

Rude parking...

Bad drivers hahah sorry

 

[they live]

Tolerance is more respectable than avoidance.

But ignorance is bliss.